I just saw the gillz of sp gaming.

Something is wank about the whole console vs pc in tech/power and optimization - how can consoles run the latest games with old hardware but pcs can't?

It's all comes down to the firmwares, drivers, and libraries. Its easier to optimize for one kind of hardware. Most of the best minds of the video-game industry working on the same hardware for years on the consoles, all those talented engineers are systematically destroying the boundaries of the very same hardware, and they share the knowledge with each other, usually doubling the "power" of the system in 5 years / consoles.

Have you seen an Amiga or c64 demo compo lately? Its hilarious what they can do with those dinosauruses.

Got any links to that c64 and amiga stuff.

Google is your friend, you know that right?:)

Lets try Breakpoint-2010 which was quite ok. But you can find any C64, Amiga or PC demo you want on youtube.

One of my personal favorite is ELEVATED which is a 4KB(!) demo:o)

Google doesn't tell me what's good in your opinion vs what's good in mine.

yea, its hard:)

That elevated one was nice, I think my fav is zoom 3 though.

Indeed, zoom3 looks great, I just saw so many similar in the past. On the other hand, I have absolutely no clue how one could fit Elevated into 4079 bytes:)

Mostly because you can dedicate all your resources just to playing the game - rather than supporting an entire operating system (additional random drivers/processes/APIs/etc..) that a computer has to do. Optimization for specific hardware (PS3 never changes, and they can rely on the code working on that setup) helps a lot, whereas PCs have to rely on many layers.

PCs are the best for those who know computer stuffz, but the ones who don't know shit about computers, well they gonna need a consol if they want to have fun.

The horrible thing is that money is downgrading PCs into consoles nowadays:(

TROLOLOLOL!!!!!!

We need need to move minors from console gaming in general, Console gamers think they're amazing and brag about it in real life because they got a 2:1 ratio in a public game one time against some people who were just playing for the LOLZ.

Also all the new console kids are just basing how good a game is on it's graphics.

PC gamers find this amazing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyAfZxLRzgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB1OQkyNlkE&feature=related

Console gamers find this amazing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iismp82DDbQ&feature=fvst (In my opinion most of that was pot luck with the grenades and spas )

The worst part is, I can't even put it down to "oh well it's a matter of taste" because PC gaming is just more skilled. Watching 'professional' console gaming is just painful. It's like watching demo's of Cypher absolutely raping ulows on public FFA.

Now I will say, I hate COD4. I'm not even vaguely interested in it as a game, but comparing the 'competitive' scene of the game across the platform of PC vs Console, the PC version just looks more skillful and impressive.

What Console gamers think of PC gaming
- Need to spend £1000+ on a PC
- Need to Upgrade the PC every 2 weeks
- You have to use a Keyboard + Mouse, Pad FTW
- Everyone plays Crysis
- Everyone plays on lowest settings to get the max FPS (in 10 year old games DERP)

Why Console gamers think they are better
- Easier to aim with a Pad
- It's cheaper
- All my friends play on consoles
- Am really good because I do really good in Public games.

It's a bit of a shit situation, because PC hardware companies want new games with big awesome graphics and shit so that people buy new cards. Afterall, that's the business they're in. They need people to buy new cards...

In an ideal world, someone would just bring out a 'standardized gaming PC' (if you will) which offers the best value for money and would be able to play most games (I say most in a fairly general term. Playing Crysis on full is unrealistic. As long as it can keep up with console's graphics - which lets face it, isn't hard - then they're fine). At the end of the day, as long as it can run at least Valve Source and HL1 games and SC2 then they're covered on all bases

100% agree I think ESL and Alienware have a great potential market selling ESL PC's and Laptops for the IEM.

For example
ESL/Alienware laptop/PCs that plays all the main ESL IEM games like SC2,1.6 and QL

make a special IEM edition one with the latest Intel CPU.
make a Pro series PC the has like a I5
and a amateur PC with I3

you don't need a £1000+ pc, more like ~350-500€ depending on what you want.

games like diablo, starcraft and quake will always be much easier to play on a pc, not to mention civ/anno/football manager and the likes.
ultimately it depends on what kind of games you want to play but unless we see a drastic change in game development the pc as a gaming platform will survive.

'What Console gamers think of PC gaming'

coz most console gamers are noobs
simples

how is number 4 a wall hack? if you knew anything about wall hacks you would know that you have to be right by a wall to see threw it. and there are no red boxes?

top youtube comment :]

You are forgetting that majority of competitive gaming in non-asia is still cs faggotry, i wonder what the demoCRAPhic of ql even is - 49,9% ca swedes, 49,9% german instagibbers, rest.

basically, Console FPS = trash

not necessarily in SP,
I played already Metroid Prime and Bioshock in SP,
I'd consider them playable

Bioshock playable?



6/10 might read again

I would say Bioshock is more RPG than FPS.
It is one of the greatest game of all time, RPGwise

No it's a great game, it's just it's riddled with bugs

I didn't notice any bugs in my xbox 360 version,
maybe there are bugs on pc, since the pc community accepts bugs, because they can be patched later on, which is not the case for consoles

Not really. The PC version was just a ported console version which explains why it was so shitty bugwise. Too many little bigs as well as one big fuck-off annoying one in the form of huge negative acceleration in mouse sensitivity at lower settings (read: normal settings) and retarded high sensitivity on anything higher then 2 on the notches (and that's with 400dpi)

bioshock is not a rpg, it might have more rpg elements than for example doom or quake, because you can chose which special abilitys you want to add/enhance, but that still does not make it a rpg.

Metroid Prime was released in 2002, I don't recall anything on the PC what looked that good at the same time, and it was doing that with fluid 60fps(!), which is awesome. (tbh, I really like that kind of BSP graphics).
It's a shame that all that gorgeous graphics, music and flawless programming work were butchered in a dumb game.
In my personal opinion, Retro could possibly do a hl2 like success with a real gamer in house. The same goes to Factor 5, but I think Retro had the upper hand graphics-wise. (F5 is dead anyway).

The only console I ever bought myself was the PlayStation I and I played Tony Hawks and Crash Bandicoot for hours and hours. Those were the days when I enjoyed console gaming.

And obviously had the Sega and the Nintendo NES - those were jaw-dropping :P

Proper gaming needs mouse and keyboard input and not some vibrating joystick where you can't turn around in less than 3 seconds.

But each their own. I mean I play Quake Live - I must be pretty stupid considering the fact that there a games out there that have got much better graphics. Oh wait, nowadays games a rated based on appearance and not on gameplay or long-term motivation.

Seriously, when I see people play Guitar-Hero I'd like to kill them for their stupidity. Learn how to play a real Guitar and some virtual crap that requires no skill.

mmmh. The real problem with gh and stuff is that you're just chasing the high score. Not that it's not a fun thing, just that it contradicts the even idea of esports ( and yeah, I know about local scenes, thanks, I was deep into shmups from 06 to 08 ).

And you'd be amazed to know how hard it actually is to play on that shitty controller coming from a real guitar.
Too bad they constantly dumbed down the games, gh3 was pretty much the only one with a bit of challenge.

And i remember the tappings being a bore, you logically jam those ratm riffs differently from gh fingerings, which often lose the fun of guitar being a "feel" instrument.

Well actually, I had much more fun with gh3 because it didn't feel like playing guitar at all. The patterns were just fucked up.
I guess that's why I like beatmania actually, you "play" all the instruments at once, there's no way you can start bitching cause it doesn't feel like the real thing.

i have no problem with gamepad for platformers, 3D action games like God Of War or even fighting games

but when the whole FPS genre was dumbed down to be playable on consoles, then we have a problem

you still have the custom single player levels in good old quake 1

The day I can play my PC while laying on my couch in front of a big screen on the other side of the room I'll be satisfied.

We need virtual reality.

3DS + Virtual Boy + Kinect = wat???

Offtopic, does anyone here own Kinect? If so, does it work good, like how jittery is the movement, any deadzones, how big of a space do you need?